Competitive Analysis Software: how does it affect the ones that play ethically?

by 5buckguy

There has been some expensive software made available recently, I may not be evaluating it correctly since I haven’t been hyped into joining the memberships that license it, but basically what they claim to do is allow you to supposedly learn what campaigns should be successful by analyzing ads currently being displayed.

The assumption is that if an advertiser has been running a particular ad for so many days, weeks, or months, it’s successful and profitable.

And if that ad is profitable for that advertiser, you should be able to jump into that market, copy or improve on the ad, and be profitable yourself.

In theory, that could be correct, or not. At least it’s an educated guess based on analysis, that has driven the direct mail market for many years.

There’s a difference in direct mail, though, if you see an ad in USA Today in the sports section, the ad is much more visible and the costs are much more predicatable than if the ad was only being run on Google and viewed if someone typed in a selection of a couple dozen specific keyword phrases.

In other words, it’s easy to copy the ad from USA Today and run it in a publication with similar demographics, it’s not quite so easy to figure out what keywords the AdWords advertiser is targeting, or what his bid price is, or what he’s paying to be profitable because of the differences quality score makes.

Of course assumptions are not always correct. The advertiser could be stupid. The advertiser could have deep pockets and is making money not on this ad, but on backend sales. The ad could be profitable for some keywords and not others, and you’re analyzing the keywords that aren’t profitable. Or any number of other scenarios.

One of our members, Matt Levenhagen, has written an insightful blog post on the subject here, which you should read:
http://blog.campaignblasts.com/competitive-analysis-tools-is-this-the-end-of-adwords-as-we-know-it.htm

One of the software tools which I almost subscribed to when it came out supposedly has a feature that I found particularly offensive. Again, I’m not on the inside, so I’m not sure this is true, but it’s what I understood from reading the sales page and emails. Supposedly if you found a successful ad in your tracking, you could also find other ads that the same affiliate was running in other markets. It seems that the servers built up a history of all the profitable markets that other members found, and would share them.

So if you found that affiliate X was running a profitable campaign (supposedly) on green widgets, and another member found the same affiliate X was running profitable campaigns for lawn chairs and jogging shoes, the system would tell you that. Forget the fact that the other member was paying $100′s of dollars a month to find profitable campaigns, his efforts would be shared with you, and yours with him.

Will these agressive software tools mean there is no longer a level playing field in affiliate marketing? Time will tell. My campaigns haven’t been any less profitable or suffered a slowdown in impressions, so either nobody has found mine yet with this software, or if they did, it didn’t matter.

And even if they did, I’m probably not bright enough to have figured out how to track the super profitable keywords and weed out the unprofitable ones, all I know is that overall I’m running a profit. Ah, when I get it all figured out, I’ll have to start the site someone suggested, 5KaD. :-)

Three things. First, read Matt’s blog post, it’s good info.  Second, make a comment on this post if I’ve given any incorrect information, if you’re a member of any of these sites that do the competitive analysis. And third: Don’t worry if you aren’t a member. There’s plenty of markets out there for everyone.

Oh, I almost forgot. Fourth: When the most hyped membership site opened up, a brilliant IM’er said he would figure out how to the same thing, given a couple months of analysis and programming that he would outsource. And instead of paying several hundred dollars a month, the software would be available for less than $100, and could be resold. Yes, I prebought the resell rights. And yes, it will become a part of this site once released.

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  • http://www.marketingtoolstoday.com/graphicpac/ Michael Gunn

    Kara is real. Especially in business. What comes around, goes around.

    The ‘net has always seemed to find a way to weed those out that want to make a quick buck without the work. This may work out the same way…

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  • http://www.training-dogs.com Rosana Hart

    I had read Matt’s post already when I saw yours too. I think they are both really good at pointing out that these fancy tools are never going to be the only way to go.

    I actually started using the combination of Keyword Analyzer and Competition Dominator, which together cost me $199. With them, I have been able to test ebook topics that currently exist at Clickbank and that I have considered writing myself, and I’ve learned a lot. The tools will pay for themselves pretty fast. I see using them as a sort of Campaign Blasting in its own right. But copy the ads exactly? Nah, I’m not that nasty. Besides, I can probably improve on them!

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  • kromit

    OK, I’ll admit I’m a member of one of the subscription services…

    Matt’s post IMHO pretty much tells it like it is. Although I think that you get a significant advantage when using these tools, the tools are in no way some kind of push-button profit machine. I’ve identified several (assumedly) profitable campaigns myself, but you have to keep in mind that these campaigns are profitable…for the OTHER guy. For it to be profitable for yourself, you’ll have to do some work.

    One thing not mentioned anywhere is this: if some ad shows up for a keyword 30/30 days, it just means that the corresponding CAMPAIGN is profitable, not necessarily that keyword. I have yet to see any ads with obvious keyword conversion tracking (ex. sid for CJ links), so how will I know which keywords are profitable? The marketer I’m spying on has to be tracking to the keyword level (which most marketers seem to NOT be doing) in order to know which keywords are converting. If he’s just throwing a bunch of keywords at Adwords and overall making money, you’d have to copy his campaign verbatim to also be profitable, which is not possible.

    Bottom line: if you’re mainly doing Clickbank calculate refund rates for the products with a gravity of over 10. If refunds are lower than 10% the product should be promotable. If you’re doing CJ or other networks where you have no idea how well products convert, watching ads (with or without these tools) might give you an advantage.

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  • RichMotivation

    Dennis, are you talking about JP Schoeffel as the guy who is selling shares in a competitive intelligence program?

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  • http://www.5bucksaday.com 5buckguy

    Yes, JP is the person I’m talking about.

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  • RichMotivation

    Will you share JP’s URL? I found it doing some research and now can’t locate it.

    Mary

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  • http://www.HypnosisProductReviews.com TranceMaker

    I did buy into the program you mentioned. It did work, BUT:

    Most of the campaigns were telling me the obvious — that a good ad is pulling. It’s also giving me the keywords, but nothing earth-shattering.

    While it was telling me which ads are being run the longest, these ads (it seems) are mostly very expensive to duplicate in Adwords — costing nearly $1/click or so.

    With several campaigns running right now, I have sold just a few ebooks with this method.

    I cancelled my membership and asked for a refund of the current month. Received a nasty email and after some back-and-forth, got a prorated refund.

    It seemed like a good idea at the time, but it’s baically a waste of money.

    Bryan

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  • Jael

    Hi Dennis,

    I believe JP’s script you mentioned in the last paragraph is already out and there is a WSO on it for $27. Are you going to release it to the $1KaDay members for free?

    Thanks,
    Jael

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